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Pub a space for local community formation

We were having a quiet drink in the ....? last night. Gordon said he thought the key thing about a community building public space was that it should have open doors and a welcoming atmosphere. A community centre might have many groups using the place without being a place where community can form. Community building social space has to be open, welcoming and be able to host a diverse set of sub groups or clubs as well as informal gatherings.

Stef 10:41, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that is it. The idea of the third space is important, not work and not home buy a third space to act in... Gordo 16:27, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Living it Up

Hope: That the life of the (now closed) pub, when it was open, could be recalled through its page on the DPS. February 2006 I think that most pages have a photo but no such memories. The assumption being that a lot of important social discourse happens in pubs as the most ubiquitous open social spaces in our society. The importance of such open public discourses needs celebrating.

Proposal: That a nearby live pub is twinned with a ex pub, and a DPS page is made for the live pub. The pub is then asked to use the page for whatever it likes and to also have a link to the twinned ex pub. The hope being that some drinkers might have migrated to the live pub or otherwise be in a position to provide information on the previous lives.

Do most people realise that a page on DPS is potentially a web site of as much complexity as required? -- unknown annon

Dead Poets?

Dead Poets Society?? -- unknown annon

Where there's smoke

I like this new section (as a non smoker!) I want to live. I would go for legislation on very well ventilated smoking areas rather than none. But the tobacco lobby is almost as evil as the arms industry. -- unknown annon

Live pubs in the dead pubs section?!

Does anyone else find this confusing? I think most people would... Even worse to not flag which pubs are live and which dead... surely.

Or, landlord, are you saying "To hell with dead pubs?" Szczels 17:11, 21 Jan 2005 (GMT)

Carpe Diem Gordo 00:26, 27 Jan 2005 (GMT)


TIS ONLY IN THEIR DREAMS THAT MEN TRULY BE FREE,
'TWAS ALWAYS THUS, AND ALWAYS THUS WILL BE. -KEATING.
I dunno what the Latin means but it seems a pity this site has lost its identity and focus. It would now be very difficult to extract a list of dead pubs.
The front page says "This site will be a record of that change of the cultural and social landscape.." Surely this should now be amended. Szczels
Ok this has beed sorted although its not so easy to find off the main page... - Szczels 18:18, 2 Feb 2005 (GMT)

Landlord Jokes

Anyone know any good landlord jokes? -- unknown annon

Yes, now u mention it:
Customer: Landlord! Landlord! There's a fly in my pint!
Landlord: That's it. Now everyone will want one. You're barred.
...and there's plenty more where that came from, and several more down Surreal Street, too.
-- unknown annon

Why 'village pub' when most of the pubs listed are in town?

Why 'village pub' when most of the pubs listed are in town? -- unknown annon


This is a pun on the "Village Pump" of WikiPedia, retrofitted... -- WikiSysop 21:45, 15 Nov 2004 (GMT)
I think there is a tendency to the romantic in the introduction with the village green cricket, beer and skittle image...
What about the Free and Easy heritage, or the Glee Clubs, or the London Corresponding Society or the other more proletarian uses (and abuses) of pubs like sing songs and Karaoke nights?
Szczels 18:28, 15 Nov 2004 (GMT)

pubs seem to be shutting at a greater rate

And what about an analysis of why the pubs seem to be shutting at a greater rate since the great proletarian 'slum' clearances of the Sixties? (The slums that weren't cleared are all renovated a bijou cottages now)

In a conversation down our local the other night it was reckoned to be about cultural changes like

  • 1. Less blokes always down the pub every night (instead now they're binge drinking at weekends in clubs)
  • 2. More cultural diversity so less traditional clientele
  • 3. The expense of pub drinking compared with supermarket cans

Anyone got any references to any well researched articles on this? Szczels 18:28, 15 Nov 2004 (GMT)

The same epidemic of closure is happening to those other public meeting spaces cafes. And we are still losing cinemas
Why not start a corner of cafes and cinemas here and then find a new Wiki later?
WikiSysop 21:48, 15 Nov 2004 (GMT)
Ex-Cafe's might be difficult to spot as they are often just shops. The other thing is that in town at least they have often been taken over by bland coffee chains so the wiki could end up with hundreds of photos of Neros or worse... Don't think it such a good idea a dead pubs anyway!
The same may be true for little known footpaths and rights of way... 'Breeder'
Yes, cafes are harder. In fact there are some new cafes in Chrisp Street Market But may it may just become something else...
I will keep an eye on the two "pie and mash" shops in the market!
Gordo 14:45, 25 Nov 2004 (GMT)

Pubs which have changed in character

Can we consider a pub which is under new ownership a dead pub? Or a pub which has changed in character, for example, by ensuring that a change in its beers, music and food force a change in the type of people it attracts? There are often minor architectural changes, inside or outside which, for me, render the pub dead. That is to say, I wouldn't return because the place, the people and the atmosphere have substantially changed. It is these changes which also contribute to the changing social and cultural landscape. Similarly, where once was a dire pub, a new one may grow and flourish; it's not all bad news.

"Yes agree how about a section for pubs that have opened or changed for the better. I'd especially like to hear about pubs being converted from luxury flat projects that will go bust in the coming property collapse..."Szczels
You could expand the definition. In other words, yes, why not widen the net! - WikiSysop 23:05, 9 Nov 2004 (GMT)


when whetherspoons assimilate a pub, how much do they change? do they give it a complete makeover to give it that weatherspoons feel, or do they attempt to retain some character of the original pub? my experience is the former, although that may be clouded by the fact that i didn't know the original pubs, and that witherspoons, when looking for an acquisition, has a particular type of venue in mind.

Of course value-for-money appears to play a large part in being a whitherspoon. And if there was a group of us, looking for cheap food (because it was near the end of the month), then we'd sometimes head there for lunch.

My local Wetherspoons is The Ledger Building and I was served a pint for £1.49 (since it was around 5pm, and hence the price for the afternoon session) Gordo 08:11, 7 Dec 2004 (GMT)

Most of the Wetherspoons I know of are conversions of buildings that used to be something else - for instance, the one in Peterborough The College Arms was a disused building that used to be a College, and I recall an enormous pub in Edinburgh that used to be a bank (one of the rooms was a conversion of the old vault, complete with 2 foot thick steel door), and I recall having a drink years ago in a London Wetherspoons that was an old cinema - the building retained the 30s art deco style of the original building. PaulHammond 09:32, 5 Jun 2005 (BST)
Wetherspoons leave pubs as well. "The Green" in Shepherd's Bush and "The Camden's Head" in Bethnal Green, for example.
Wetherspoons (The Ledger Building) sell guest ale at 1.49 in the afternoons.... a loss leader!
WikiSysop 09:51, 30 Nov 2004 (GMT)

Suggestions Box

  1. Sysop could you put the Village Pub into the lefthand side bar?
  2. Could we have a print-out Award to put through the letterbox of people inhabiting dead pubs featured - so they have a 'right of reply'. Could be interesting...
  3. Can we organize a pub crawl of all the pubs which are closed?
  4. Landlord when are we getting thumbnails? I'd like to browse the thumbnails... Thumbnails will appear in a few weeks... after a server upgrade (we hope!) Gordo 09:31, 2 Dec 2004 (GMT)
Shall we have a bibliography? e.g. Delderfield, Eric R. Introduction to Pub Signs David & Charles, Newton Abbott 1969 Szczels 15:50, 18 Dec 2004 (GMT)
Yes, that's a good idea! Gordo 23:30, 18 Dec 2004 (GMT)
Done Szczels 18:05, 20 Dec 2004 (GMT)

Suggest cutting the contradictory Pubs still going strong category and replacing it with locals of the users of this site (with entries on when and why to go there for spontaneous DPS meetings etc) only mee Szczels 17:54, 20 Dec 2004 (GMT)

http://un.deadpubssociety.org.uk/ perhaps? Gordo 20:23, 31 Dec 2004 (GMT)
not.dead vs. un.dead hmmm, not dead implies alive, whereas undead implies... perhaps bela lugos's local?
How about 'notdeadyet' ? whatever the name all they need is a new page at least for now. The beauty of a wiki is that a new page (dare i say categ0ry?) can take off of its own accord. Szczels 17:43, 10 Jan 2005 (GMT)
Done! [http://un.deadpubssociety.org.uk/] Gordo 13:58, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Szczels suggested putting the 'In The Village' into the lefthand side bar. 'Community Portal' is a redirect, but to fix it properly someone just needs to edit MediaWiki:Sidebar‎. That page can only be edited by sysops, but it controls the contents of the sidebar on the left in version 1.5 onwards. -- Harry Wood 16:24, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

And also

"It's ironic that Martin Landau won an Oscar for impersonating Bela Lugosi (in 'Ed Wood') when Lugosi himself never came within a mile of one, but that's just the latest of many sad ironies surrounding Lugosi's career. A distinguished stage actor in his native Hungary, he ended up a drug-addicted pauper in Hollywood, largely thanks to typecasting brought about by his most famous role."

Quoted from IMDB biography of Bela Lugosi

Gordo 16:19, 9 Jan 2005 (GMT)

Version

Now running MediaWiki 1.4. beta 4 WikiSysop 19:43, 9 Jan 2005 (GMT)

Special:Version says different :-) -- Harry Wood 16:09, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Pub category organisation. Postcodes/Areas/GPS co-ords

How important is it to be able to find these sites? Or even know where they are? How to put them into categories? A chaotic browse or strict organisation by post code or local area for instance?

A very good idea: please feel free to implement it!
WikiSysop 14:49, 24 Nov 2004 (GMT)
Despite the general usefulness of things like postcodes, i think i'd prefer a more general gps coordinate (which i could then enter into eg multimap). doesn't limit the location to the uk... -- ??? unknown annon
Its a practical consideration the postcode is often on the street sign or in the A-Z index.
Whereas I've no idea how to find the gps co-ordinates... Is there a way of converting an address to a gp ref?
Perhaps the dead pub crawl (dry humour?) could combine with gps'ing the locations.
Szczels

Spectacular Promotion

There was some spectacular promotion of deadpubssociety at last weeks London wiki wednesday. I'm sure the wiki edits will pick up pace... any day now -- Harry Wood 23:30, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I will get a new server farm now - thanks Harry Gordo 08:39, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
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